A recent comment referred to schools that are "Ferraris" and Holy Cross as a "wagon." Well-said, awesome! Wagons are great:
-they are versatile, can carry extra weight
-they can welcome extra folks who need a lift
-they are not so high maintenance
-you don't have to be rich to have a wagon
-they are not so prissy that you have to worry about dinging it up
-great place for great conversation
Of course my point here was that Holy Cross can be a place that is different. We all have to work to get there... sometimes you gotta get out and push the wagon. But when the comment said people do not choose schools in order to learn virtue, I say, and Aristotle says, seriously, there is no other reason to pick a school.
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I dislike the wagon
Anything that one desires to have I don't think would be worth having if it did not take hard work to accomplish. I don't think it's right to label Holy Cross as a "wagon". Personally, I got in to all of the other universities I applied to and this is my first semester here but it's alright. If life was easy and no one had to work for what they had, instead what they wanted they were supplied with.. That would be a more than likely a world filled and surrounded with problems. One should be proud of where they're from and what they have worked hard for, because that is why we act as we do.
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I'll jump in the wagon if it is this wagon. Why does it have to be a old wagon?
i dont know when ferrari will come out whith a high performane wagon. id like to get my hands on one though. on one hand you can have that stylish and sexy car, and on the other hand you can cram all your friends in and go on a roadtrip! so in other words i think you need both; an education that will ensure you will succeed in our society, and an education that will instill good virtues in your character. this is my interpretation on eudimonia.
One thing that struck my attention during class was this term, the "ULTIMATE GOOD." Sorry, I just felt like everyone had to feel the power of it with me there. So this ultimate good, a good desired for its own sake? The question that it rises for me is whether or not this is unique from happiness... are these two ieas even mutually exclusive? When you say a good desired for its own sake, keep in mind, what do we ever desire for its own sake? Begin with money, we agreed in class that money, although often desired, is not an "ULTIMATE GOOD" because we desire it only as a means to another form of goodfeelingness. (tempting to avoid using "happiness" here) But even our greater desires, do we really want anything other than as a means to happiness? Money may be our initial desire, but only as a means for this example to become a good soccer player... and the string of everything being a means to the end of happiness continues as we see that becoming a good soccer player is not an ultimate good in itself because we only became a soccer player to win the world cup. And why did we want to win the world cup? As an end in istelf maybe? An ultimate good? Or maybe is it to feel for one moment, what true happiness felt like in its greatest form. Happiness, the one and only ultimate good! So the "ULTIMATE GOOD," and "happiness," while we always agreed that these two somehow overlap, maybe we should distinguish that they are one in the same, because everything is aimed at achieving happiness.
outsiders and people who dont know you will criticize ones decision to transfer from ND to Holy Cross. but if you are living by your morals and do what Aristotle says (go with your desire) then you will be happy. in order for us to be happy we have to be virtuous, and tranfering from ND and giving up all that oppertunity would take a lot of virtues. i personally dont think i could ever do that, but more power to somone who can.
As a recent jumper onto the wagon from off of the "Ferrari", I have come to realize a few things. First, I realized that Notre Dame, nor any school for that matter, is not perfect. I think too many people (myself included) view Notre Dame as a utopia for the college years. As great of a school that Notre Dame is, it was too big and impersonal and stressful for me (but not everyone). Second, I have found that the smaller, community-like atmosphere of Holy Cross is much more welcoming and helpful in my quest to learn.
I really don't care how much money I make one day, because I know I want to do something in the non-profit sector. Give me a roof over my head, some food in my belly, and a car to get me from point A to point B... that's all I need. I feel like Notre Dame grants a lot of degrees, especially in the Business School, that are aimed at pure material pursuit. Such endeavors take away from the Catholic mission of the school. I may be a lapsed Catholic, but the values and virtues that I learned in my years in Catholic schools has shaped my conscience tremendously. I know I will be successful in whatever I end up doing, and I hope that my time here at Holy Cross will shape my person to have the "competency and courage" to act for justice in the world.
-Chris Hoos
I think you are being a little inflexible when you say, "there is no other reason to pick a school." The reason being virtue. I do not think that is correct. (I also think you are taking this Ferrai and wagon thing a bit far) I would think another great reason to go to college would be to learn what one finds enjoyable and to learn to excel at it. I'm not denying a big factor should be the cultivating of virtues, but if one loves writing I would think they would not go to Rose-Hulman (an engineering school) even if it was great in the virtue "department". This may seem picky but in life there is usually a combination of reasons to do something, it is not one fixed thing which decides one's choices.
Whether one jumps into a farrari or a wagon, all that matters is that the vehicle one chooses can be driven to the desired destination, the ultimate end. One may desire a farrari, but that car will come with a lot of speeding tickets.
i love it when my posts are taken out of context, it just makes my day.
The Pope recently said (while explaining the meaning of a certain prayer),
"...to understand that the true treasure of our life is living in the Lord's love and never losing this love. Then we are really rich. A man who has discovered a great love feels really rich and knows that this is the true pearl, that this is the treasure of his life and not all the other things he may possess."
THE POPE WAS ONE OF THE HITLER YOUTH!! LETS LISTEN TO HIM!
Nearly all youth in Germany after the Nazis seized power were forced into Hitler Youth Organizations. Being in such does not mean he turned the knob in a gas chamber.
sorry eric
No prob
The pope is a good guy, he has a great hat.
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