the Catholic/Christian nature of our discussion

Let me just say that these have been good, and important, discussions. Some have mentioned the Catholic/Christian nature of most peoples' points. This does not mean other faiths or those without religious faith do not have to face these issues, but it is hard to tackle an issue so generally. But Catholicism is a specific religion that has specific principles. As to Tim Fox's point of what Catholics say not mattering a whole heck of a lot, I see your point. But what if Catholics starting acting on such principles? It would be tough to dismiss the fact that thousands, or tens of thousands, refuse to comply. I am not judging those who would or would not do this, but simply saying it would be significant. For religion, the power to cooperate or not cooperate is a mighty resource.